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Obama’s Health-Care Plan: Pros and Cons Debate

[Editor's note: This article was originally hosted on MyFamilyDoctorMag.com, our sister site.
It's now featured here as part of our new general-health section.]

Pros and Cons of Obamacare

by Leigh Ann Otte

In 2009, we asked two doctors to debate the pros and cons of President Barack Obama’s health-care plan. Back then, the plan was an idea. Now, it’s a law, the Affordable Care Act. (Opponents derisively call it Obamacare.)

Some of the details of Obama’s health-care plan have changed since 2009, but the overall goals remain similar. For example, as planned back then, insurance companies will soon not be allowed to deny coverage to people with pre-existing conditions. And small businesses now get a tax credit to help them provide health insurance.

You can see more highlights of the current Affordable Care Act at Obama’s website. (Of course, given the source, they’re highlighted with a positive spin.)

Rules of Engagement

We invited each participant to write an argument, then read the opponent’s argument and write a rebuttal. Neither was allowed to read the other’s initial argument before writing his own, and neither could read the other’s response before rebutting.

We asked our debators, if the United States does adopt a universal health-care plan, is Obama’s headed in the right direction? Here’s their take.

You can share your opinion in the comments section below the debate.


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Pro argument: “The Obama health-care plan is headed in a positive direction.”
Debator


Patrick Whelan, M.D, Ph.D., practicing rheumatologist and director of Catholic Democrats, “a national non-profit organization of concerned Catholics.”

The Obama health-care plan is headed in a positive direction by all historic indicators.

It began with February’s expansion [2009] of the State Children’s Health Insurance Program after years of failure, providing insurance to millions of additional vulnerable children. Then, the passage of the economic stimulus bill helped states maintain current levels of care for their poorest citizens. Now, a new secretary, Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, with a dedicated commitment to the common good has been nominated. [Sebelius was sworn in as health secretary in 2009.]

The administration has undertaken a summit [in 2009] at the White House to explore all the possibilities, with four particularly key objectives.

The first is finding ways to insure every American. At a time of foreclosures and job losses, the last worry anyone needs is whether they can get thoughtful care with appropriate follow-up if an emergency befalls them. Current law provides for continued insurance under COBRA if a job is lost, but this is incredibly expensive for families—particularly if someone has no job. But SCHIP expansion aside, more than 40 million people still have no insurance.

A second objective has been transparency, so the remarkably expensive enterprise of medical care doesn’t become a new pork barrel of inefficiency. This leads to the third goal: cost efficiency.

Tremendous efficiencies are possible because they are currently being achieved by our economic competitors around the world. Increased health-care efficiencies were probably the leading engine for the economic expansion during the 1990s. The United States currently has the developed world’s most inefficient system, costing more than twice as much as other systems while performing poorly on many health indices.

The Survival Doctor's Guides to Burns and Wounds, by @James HubbardThus, a fourth goal is heightened quality, like that supported by the significantly expanded medical research in the stimulus bill. Better health, after all, is a goal shared by everyone, and Obama has moved us a giant step closer by forcefully articulating these four objectives.

 


Con argument: “President Barack Obama’s health-care plan at best is not reform at all.”

President Barack Obama’s health-care plan at best is not reform at all, and at worst will expand the poorest performing segments of our health-care system and further erode what little choice currently exists at the individual patient and provider level.

“Universal health-care coverage,” according to the president’s plan, would be largely driven by enrollment in public programs, such as Medicaid and SCHIP, in which the government sets benefit levels and provider reimbursement rates. Being nominally “covered” in a public health insurance program is of little value if prohibitively low reimbursement rates and administrative hassles prevent physicians from accepting you as a patient.

  • TALENA

    yes to everyone having health care!i loss my job and don’t have it nor does my kids .HOW CAN I TELL MY TEN YEAR OLD SON THAT HE MAY DIE BECAUSE HE CAN’T GO TO THE DOCTOR BECAUSE OF HIS BAD HEART???
    PLEASE TELL ME HOW!!!
    (commented 9/20/2009)

  • http://www.peterscomputers.net Bernard F. Peters Jr.

    Universal Healthcare is working elsewhere, and those citizens would revolt if their governments tried to take it from them. Meanwhile our own “Great” country will let a child die, or let a person suffer because they don’t have insurance? Frequently, even with insurance coverage the insurance companies will deny treatment due to whatever reason supports their refusals. My own mother has been denyed coverage due to some bull#@!^ reasons, and she was just trying to protect herself for her future! Nobody in need should ever be turned away for any reason, we all pay through the nose in taxes every year for what? Unfortunately as long as the insurance companies have unlimited resources for their lobbyists throw at our representatives, we will never see universal healthcare! We need to come together and stand up to this corrupt government! The money is already there for UHC and we all deserve it, our government has lied to us long enough, and I dont think people will stand for much more of it!
    (commented 9/18/2009)

  • K.A. Talabi

    I have to personally say that the difference between developed nations and underdeveloped nations is that one knows how to take care of it’s poor. Healthcare coverage should not be a matter of choice, because cancer and other diseases does not just pick on certain individuals. Why is it mandatory to have minimum auto insurance coverage in almost all the states, but we can not set minimum health care coverage for every citizen in this great country? Something is missing. For as long as we don’t have a way to provide affordable health care for the poor, the working class will continue to pay thru their nose, because hospitals, and Medical doctors will not work for free.
    (commented 9/15/2009)

  • steven coyle

    this is crazy.how can we be the great country we say we are when are citizens put money above are own lives.America where everything is about money.universal health care.No more profit for lives.the doctors will still make there money.If a insurance company can they will refuse coverage,they have people find away to refuse coverge.every citizen should have the right to treatment by a doctor no one should be refused the right to live.if the republicans & others say universal healthcare is so bad and citizens will distrust goverment run healthcare why do they say it will put the insurance companys out of business.
    (commented 9/9/2009)

  • Jason MBA, CFA, CRPC, APA, P.A

    I have noticed that a lot of the issues surrounding this topic are cost, and what’s in it for me. I realize that it is truly not fair that I, a hard working citizen, that took out loans for college and bought a home with my own money, and pay my taxes on time, should not be punished by added taxation. However, I feel those of us that make above 250k and have PPO and see the best Doctors almost always forget where we came from. Do you believe that one person you knew should have died because he/she couldn’t pay or afford health insurance? I agree that Doctors are over worked and under paid, but some, seem not to remember the Oath that was taken that day they decided to become a life saver. We speak of immigrants as if all of us are not, just because I am white of native Irish and Spanish decent does not make it right. So I guess my immigrant family should not be allowed to get health care. Folks lets wake up and be a little more educated about the items we cover. Forensic science has taught us we are all connected. Let’s not bring the immigrant card up because everyone deserves to live. Unless, you are a native born American Indian you yes you, you little blue eye tan skin or dark skinned black eyed friend are an immigrant. Must we cover the basics?

    Obama’s reform will eventually get these worthless insurance companies out and create a more positive experience for all. It’s no secret that these insurance companies are worried and dumping millions into private party’s hands in order for there to be a revolution against. Gosh it’s ridiculous. Well that means I have to pay more in taxes to save a life that made a mistake, let’s do it! Its funny to call yourself a Christian Right Wing Conservative when there is absolutely no practice of the Christian side.

    Thanks
    (commented 9/2/2009)

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  • DJ

    The fact that people want to have healthcare is great but we already have medical and medicare that is not being funded enough already for people that do deserve not illegal immigrants

    if people deserve the health care and actually need the help that is fine but our government should not be putting regulations on our health care making us pay more taxes, we believe in this country that everyone has the opportunity to rise to the top of making money should they be punished for someone who has not worked as hard as another citizen if i was that person i wouldn’t want to be them barely making over 250k having to pay more taxes for someone who decided not to go to college

    and this talk that doctors do not get paid enough is ridiculous think about what doctors have to go through to become a doctor many years of school and then the training they going through your body to help you become healthier because you decided to pay for this to make you live, if anything they are not getting paid enough for all the things they do and the way they discover cures for diseases, it is ignorant to say they get paid way to much

    Obama’s healthcare plan will do some good things and will do some bad things but ask the canadians why they come to the U.S. for surgeries because they are denied in Canada for being an elder which is the worst thing to deny someone of the health because of their age, it is fine to deny someone if they have a smoking addiction or drinking problem because they will probably just go back to drinking and smoking after there surgery anyways

    The only way to be healthier is just living a healthier life instead of being another part of the overweight statistic or obese, if you work on staying in shape you wont be wasting your money on the doctors office but if you stay in shape anyways and keep your body in shape your still going to pay for you healthcare and tax’s on other citizens healthcare which is wrong. Think about if your in good shape and do everything write and this other person isn’t, why should you be forking over your money to them to get better when there just going to be going back to the habits of not eating well if its liposuction or if its smoking or drinking they go back to it most of the time. I do not think it is worth wasting are money on, to help people who are not going to change and go back to there old ways.
    (commented 9/2/2009)

  • jj

    I haven’t had money for insurance for several years. I make just over the minimum amount for medicaid and just last year I had a heart attack and had to go to the hospital. After my heart attack my health bill was over 10,000 and the hospital would NOT work out any sort of payment arrangements with me. I had no option but to file bankruptcy. Free healthcare is the smartest option out there and many of the people who disagree only do so because they already have health coverage and don’t have anything at all to worry about.
    Money is very hard to come by these days and everyone has the right to live. No one should die simply because they don’t make enough to afford the expensive doctors who have become less concerned with their patients and more concerned with their fat paychecks.
    (commented 8/25/2009)

  • Charles w

    One big ? everyone is so aganst it but fact is health care cost right now is out the ruff my father died cause his health care plan from his job of 20yrs did cover him and he paid over 400 monthly 20% of his monthly income, where was all u nay sayers hmm i cant hear ya speak up, now u have someone that wants to either lower cost or give us option and the best u can do is say well it will put us in debut hello folks we was in debut since this country was founded and the was did a good job of that. come on folks open yo eyes and put the hate away..
    (commented 8/14/2009)

  • Theresa

    First of all, the health insurance carriers are running everything in the medical world. People who pay monthly premiums continually see the premiums raised and the benefits decreased. Compare what you pay yearly for premiums, copays and deductibles to the amount you would spend with a “self pay” discount. Is it worth it? The only reason I continue to pay is for the catastrophic emergency! Health Insurance Carriers make contract deals with health care providers to get higher discounts for the supposed “how many people” will be going to their facility due to being a “network provider”. We wonder why the hosptials are always in the red! It’s the Blue Cross, United and every other health insurance making the profits, not the health care providers. And we’re being robbed.
    (commented 8/10/2009)